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Skeptical Science Founder John Cook; Climate Science from ‘Basic … to Advanced’

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Skeptical Science’s John Cook of Queensland.

Australian and native Queenslander John Cook has a day job. And it’s not in the climate science field.

You’d never know it based on what the 38-year-old Cook has accomplished while moonlighting. In fact, what he’s accomplished just since launching his popular Skeptical Science website about three years ago.

Translated into 18 languages and with monthly readership now reaching 400,000, much of it from across U.S., Cook’s Skeptical Science site recently has adopted a “Basic” format to accompany the “Intermediate” and “Advanced” explanations of established climate evidence, often in the form of debunking climate myths spread by climate science doubters or “skeptics.”

With an undergraduate education in physics from the University of Queensland and a post-graduate honors year studying solar physics, Cook says his interest in climate science was sparked when he was given a copy of a speech by Oklahoma Republican Senator James Inhofe, most known to climate professionals for having attached the “greatest hoax known to man” tag to anthropogenic climate change.

It was 2007, and Cook was working from his home in web programming and database programming, something he still does to earn a living, generally working with small local Australian businesses — local doctors, beauty salons, cartoonists, and promotional product companies.

Motivated by Inhofe and ‘Big Earth’ Family Talk

“Researching the various skeptic arguments presented by Senator Inhofe revealed many fundamental scientific flaws,” Cook, database guru, said in a recent Skype interview with The Yale Forum. He says he began cataloging the full range of skeptics’ arguments, comparing them with what peer-reviewed science articles said about each one.

“I could see there was a real need for a resource,” Cook said. “A big motivation was to create a resource with peer-review at its foundation.” He points to some existing sites known for debunking skeptics’ arguments, but says they often used other blogs, rather than peer-reviewed studies, to make their points.

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“When I argued on forums and blogs, I always sought to cite original peer-review, so I was essentially creating the resource for myself initially,” he said. “So in a sense, Skeptical Science is just a database of peer-reviewed science, a culmination of my science training and physics degree and my day job.”

… ‘My Dad Runs from the Room …’

From 20 posts in 2007 and another 27 in 2008, Cook grew his Skeptical Science site to 60 postings in 2009 … and to more than 300 so far in 2010. With his increasing number of posts came an increase in the number of comments on those posts. There also came an interesting and fun-filled innovation: an App to be downloaded free to one’s iPhone or iTouch or suitable Droid equipment: Enough to baffle, if not outright convert, the most die-hard skeptic at any hotsy-totsy wonkish cocktail reception.

Along with crediting Oklahoma Senator Inhofe with sparking his curiosity about climate change, Cook harkens back to a 2007 exchange “big Earth” discussion he held with his father in law, a skeptic certain that humans don’t have it within their capacity to cause global warming. He laughs that discussions on the subject are pretty much off-limits now also with his own father, another skeptic, so family get-togethers more or less avoid the subject altogether. “My Dad runs from the room” if the subject comes up, he said.

Climate Politics in Australia ‘Less Polarized’ than in U.S.

Asked if his postings debunking skeptics’ viewpoints earn him a lot of blog and  e-mail backlash, Cook is matter-of-fact: “Yes, I do get some abusive e-mails. But it doesn’t seem as virulent as some of the other bloggers get. I’ve found that in just the past few months, it’s gotten a lot more intense, not just e-mails but other skeptic blogs trying to slander me or criticize my website. Comments coming in to the site can be pretty intense too.”

He said that with Americans making up more than 40 percent of his total site visitors, his traffic comes also primarily from his home country Australia and from England and Western Europe. Asked if the blog and e-mail backlash varies from country to country, he said that most comes from the U.S. and that while Australian critics of his posts are “up there … Australian politics isn’t as polarized as U.S. politics, it seems.”

More than 20 Percent of Skeptical Science site visitors come from U.S.

“The kind of people who visit my site regularly are not the same people who look at the skeptic sites,” Cook said. As for skeptic sites that he sees as his competition, “the closest thing to mine in Australia” is, which he said gets about the same level of monthly traffic as his own site. He identified Anthony Watts’ WUWT site as a counterpart American skeptics blog, “though he gets an order of magnitude more traffic than my site gets.”

Pointing to climate change sites such as Tim Lambert’s Deltoid, Tamino’s Open Mind, and Michael Tobis’s Only In It For The Gold, Cook said that “all the climate bloggers, we all keep in pretty close touch. There’s a whole bunch of them.”

Volunteers Contributing from ‘All Over the Place’

With an increasing number of volunteers contributing copy to his site, Cook says he recently has found himself more in an editorial management function rather than as strictly as a researcher and writer.

“It’s all over the place, mostly coming from America, England, Canada, and Australia,” he said when asked the countries of his most frequent contributors. “There are a dozen or so who are writing actual rebuttals, but in our forum if someone writes a rebuttal, the rest of us, perhaps 60 or so, will critique and nit-pick it.”

A labor of love — and one to which Cook contributes a great deal of his non-work time and a chunk of what used to be his full-time work hours — Skeptical Science has no independent source of financial support, Cook said. “It isn’t, basically, funded, except for a pittance via paypal. My wife and I are self-employed, and this is all done in my spare time, while I’m working at home and in whatever time I can spare on climate.” He acknowledges some personal “financial cost” in maintaining and building the site.

What about the impact of the site? Are there any signs that it is enriching the climate change dialog in Australia or elsewhere? Or that it’s moderating the heated dialog on the scientific issues? (They’re questions that grant recipients, including this one, The Yale Forum, constantly struggle with in trying to answer definitively.)

Growth chart showing Skeptical Science monthly visitors

“That’s really hard to measure,” Cook replied, in perhaps the least surprising of his responses to a series of interview questions. “I’ve been thinking about that question. I’ve actually been contemplating trying to quantitatively measure whether the site does have an impact … a periodic survey on the site, polling peoples’ opinions on questions, tracking any changes over time.

“Diehard skeptics,” he said, “really seldom change their positions, so the whole point of my site is really to target the large majority of undecided people …. But it’s hard to really put a number on it.”

Site Seeks More Contact with News Media

Asked what he considers his site’s most significant shortcoming, Cook replied, “There’s not much of an organized effort to target news media. For a long time, I’ve seen the value of the news media. And that’s probably one of the failings of my site, that I haven’t built much of a relationship with the mainstream media.”

Cook said he approaches the site “more from the social media perspective, structuring it to do well in search engines, be keyword-rich, and use addresses for web pages that make it keywordy in the titles, all the SEO [search engine optimization] techniques that I use in my day job.”

Asked the most important mistake he’s made with his site, Cook points to a time when he was interviewed by then-New York Times reporter Andy Revkin for an article about Skeptical Science. Asked by Revkin for a photograph to go with the story, “I had my wife take a picture of me with my iPhone, and I sent that in. All the comments on the blogs were about what an awful picture it was, rather than about the science that I talked about. A climate blogger sent me a long e-mail with an explanation of the physics of why you should never use a photo of yourself with your phone. Even [recently], I saw on WUWT someone linking to that photograph in order to discredit me.”

He acknowledges some other snafus too. “When you start learning about climate, you have sort of this simple way of looking at it,” he said. “And when you learn more, you get a more nuanced understanding of it. A lot of my earlier stuff was, I guess, a bit simplistic, and a lot of my rebuttals lacked that richer understanding. Going back and looking at them now, I will think, ah yes, that needs something of a tweak. So now I’m going back to tweak some of the earlier answers and refine them.”

Cook said that the WUWT site, in what he sees as an effort to discredit his own site, recently pointed to an earlier posting no longer online at Skeptical Science but still available through a separate site. “When I read it, I could see that it was badly worded and open to misinterpretation,” he says. “Now when I write, I try to write with a lot more clarity, understanding how my words could be taken out of context. Google ‘John Cook embarrassing himself,’” he said.

So is he moving toward making Skeptical Science his full-time job, since it already demands so much of his waking hours? “I don’t know. It’s hard to see it,” he replies. “We’ve got our own business, and it’s not like we could just drop that. I’m trying to build a community of participants, and now it’s more me trying to maintain this community, and writing content as well.”

“I’m kind of making it up as we go, in a way, with the social media. But that’s kind of the way it works.”

As for integrating the “basic,” “intermediate,” and “advanced” rebuttals to skeptics’ claims, Cook says that too has turned out to be a real time-hog. He credits NASA climatologist and blogger Gavin Schmidt for coming up with the idea, which he is now implementing.

“I’ve got two big bags under my eyes now,” he allows. “I call one Gavin and the other Schmidt.”

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11 Responses to Skeptical Science Founder John Cook; Climate Science from ‘Basic … to Advanced’

  1. John Mashey says:

    John was also very helpful in creating a new Fixed numbers version of Skeptical Science specifically for me, when I was writing Strange Scholarship in the Wegman Report. John’s normal list rearranged anti-science memes by popularity, and I needed a list I could reference that didn’t change, which John kindly created for me.

  2. Roger Morton says:

    Only 1 scientific article cited in the Norman Rogers so-called rebuttal. 68 references cited in the John Cook article. Hmmm I wonder who has actual science on their side ?

  3. Roger Morton says:

    Rogers says about the years 1910 to 1940 “greenhouse gases … werenʼt increasing much back then”. Norman – are you crazy? Did you look at the figures on page 6 on human CO2 emissions. The emissions must have pretty nearly doubled in these few years by looks of that graph. It is as steep as hell

  4. Roger Morton says:

    More crap from Norm: “First of all the satellites do not have the measurement accuracy to detect the difference in infrared radiation between 1970 and 1996. The papers [cook] cites merely show an change in certain spectral areas related to CO2, methane, etc. This is nothing surprising.”

    The very fact that the researchers can produce a graph where the change in radiation going into space follows the absorption spectrum of known green house gases proves you are totally wrong. If the instruments were not sensitive enough – which you baldly claim without an iota of evidence offered – then you would not see any pattern in the data they obtained. It would not have nice peaks and valleys but be all over the shop.

    The fact that the changes are greater in “certain spectral areas related to CO2″ is the whole point. It is not surprising I guess in the sense that the – GREENHOUSE EFFECT IS REAL. But you really do miss the whole freaking point with your dismissal of this data.

  5. Roger Morton says:

    Rogers: “The only problem is that satellite temperatures, which relate to the temperature high in the atmosphere, are supposed to warm faster, but they arenʼt.”

    No No No. the science predicts it should get more heat in the lower atmosphere as the lower atmosphere is where the greenhouse gases are. This means less heat reaches the upper atmosphere (the stratosphere and higher layers).
    So we expect to see a warming lower atmosphere and cooling upper atmosphere. And as you say this has been observed by satellites.
    Rebuttal Fail!

  6. Robert Davis says:

    It’s almost 2 years since you had this love fest interview with this man. It has been 15 years since there was ANY global warming, 1997. And the Seas are not rising, 1.8mm per year rise, there are 22mm per inch. That’s 8+” per 100 years. In fact the earth is getting GREENER on her own, with a little help from us. There are less area’s on the earth that used to be desert, and are green now,6%, that is a lot. The new Satellite data shows it all,from the mid 70′s – Present. That is how we are feeding 7 Billion people now. Do you know why it is happening? Plants love CO2 & they go crazy when respiring organism are abundant & producing all of that CO2 just by breathing & other functions. The more life there is, from the smallest microbe to you & I, the more Co2 will be produced through respiration & other life functions even when we decompose after death. And the Earth gets Green. I thought that was the Ultimate goal of the Green movement. CO2 rise is an effect From warming, not a cause Of warming. Also CO2 is a Nutrient, not a Pollutant people, real greenhouse operators regularly pump CO2 in, to get quicker & larger yields. Ask people like Cook to refute those statements if you want to have a better & most importantly, Factual article next time. They can’t. Even Al GORE can’t refute these empirical data sets. Our Satellite observations are more accurate than any computer model. The models used by them, around 20, can’t even reproduce what was observed when given the Actual import data. They Assume that CO2 is more Harmful than Beneficial. They also Assumed, too high, the effect CO2 concentrations play in the Climate. They think it rises exponentially, the “Hockey Stick” graph, 2+2+4+8…, used to convince people of how bad it’s going to get. They are Wrong! CO2 rise is more logarithmic, which shows only moderate rise, that’s consistent with the observed and recorded 20th century data. Please ask your Green university professors & friends to give it a shot, & try to counter my statements. Check all of these factual statements & I think you might be surprised. You won’t hear these Facts in many classrooms. Be they Kindergarten-Postgraduate work. So Sad. Question everything, especially if they tell you that it is settled science or use any other all inclusive statement throughout your life. GroupThink is a terrible thing & it’s even worse when it’s Wrong.
    Thank You

    • Joe says:

      I didn’t know there was any intelligent life out there. Thanks for contributing. I guess the sad fact is that the majority are as dim witted as they were in the Middle Ages. But then, climate change is just a replacement religion.

    • Lloyd Parker says:

      Where to begin? (1) The tired old denialist lie that the earth stopped warming in 1998. Utterly false (one only has to see that 2005 and 2010 are the warmest years on record). (2) The USGS says sea level rise is increasing. (3) Not all plants grow more with more CO2 (check out C3 vs C4 plants), and some have lower nutritional value and some produce more toxins. (4) Anything present in unwanted amounts is a pollutant. (5) The earth is not a greenhouse. Increasing CO2 will bring many other changes, for example, rainfall, pests, pollinators, disease, etc. (6) Denialists have this fixation on Al Gore — their argument is “Al Gore says GW is real and Al Gore is rich, so GW is false.” (7) The models predict quite well. (8) You’re right — you wont’ hear your statements in classrooms. You also won’t hear the earth is flat or the sun goes around the earth. All for a very good reason. One piece of advice: Learn some science.

  7. Joe says:

    let me see if I have this correct. H2O is 4 times better at heat retention than CO2 and it is at least 25 times more prevalent global average wide. So CO2 represents at most 1% of heat retention and less than 1/4 is man made over a century. Wow. Stop the presses.

    On the other hand, earth is a plant based ecosystem, 10% of the earth’s crust is covered in trapped CO2 limestone, and the earth is too darn cold most of the time (judging from severe and prolonged ice ages). If I were posit a hypothesis, I would guess that perhaps the earth is actually suffering a prolonged atmospheric CO2 shortage.

    It’s probably just divine intervention that we had to go through this fossil fuel stage on our way to a Thorium Fluoride powered future.